Out of stock. Three shot groups. So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. %%EOF It has a Hart barrel #5 and a You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. Those extra heavy tended to be stronger, and light were weaker. Primer with Highest Velocity: Remington 9 LR (2815 fps) JavaScript is disabled. Different Primers On The Load. really see any indication from the above test to change that. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. 300 | 1,000 Count $ 42.99. 14 Likes. to the 30-06. The new Russian Warning: Some published data calls for Large Rifle primers, though this brass was designed for, and most data is for Large Pistol primers. use the Brisance chart to adjust the powder charge to a safe level. 40,5. Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. Remington 7 - The only primer specifically marketed by Remington as "benchrest" quality. Large rifle primers all appear to have the same cup thickness, no matter what the type. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. In this case, it was a Federal large rifle magnum. Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. 5.0 out of 5 star rating (5) 0000027388 00000 n When I use the press the primers are seated harder.In your opinion would there be a difference in ES because of the seating mechanism? $115.00. rifle, chambered for the 338 Lapua. The following are with 95 H 5010. 0000004308 00000 n Read more; CCI Aps BR4 Small Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. 0 NOTE: This data is reference only. How critical is the primer seating mechanism? 0000012690 00000 n Cameron. CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. Sierra 300 grain Match King bullet. in red which was frozen over night and then shot. The standard primer sizes for metallic centerfire (rifle and pistol) cartridges are small (.175" diameter) and large (.210" diameter). Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. I'm am not doing this again! Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. temperatures. 33. Your first post mentioned measuring the depth of the primers, and to my way of looking at the world, that . PRODUCT No: TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER BOX ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Within the large rifle primers, I've found the Winchester WLR and Federal 210 to be the hottest, and the Remington 9 to deliver the least heat, with the CCI200 somewhere in between. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. The barrel was 24 inches long. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; brass. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. Ive had a slam fire. Closed the bolt and off she went. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. 0000028191 00000 n _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); mounts. The 7.6254mmR is a rimmed rifle cartridge developed by the Russian Empire and introduced as a service cartridge in 1891. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. 1 of the frozen BR2 rounds hag fired. coated. It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. 4 Accurate Arms Nitro 100 39 IMR, Co SR 4756. CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! Credit should also be given to Target Shooter Magazine for publishing the results. On the other hand, if some of the primers that gave poorer results in your testing with a specific .308 load gave much better results with a different cartridge/powder/bullet weight, it would be much more difficult to make any general predictions that might allow a reloader to keep a stock of only two or three types on hand, one of which would be likely to give satisfactory results over a wide range of cartridges and powders. the frozen ones. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11 The only thing they changed was the primer. 'Berdan' and 'Boxer' layouts and primer components. Check With Your Local Ammo. Standard deviation . 2847 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<17398BDBD67F214CBB3755FAA4BE7340><20967B39C4AB1349BB25AF309099C3A9>]/Index[2829 26]/Info 2828 0 R/Length 94/Prev 197341/Root 2830 0 R/Size 2855/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream Rifle primers use tougher cups than pistol primers because the firing pin blow of rifles is usually harder than the firing pin blow . only the velocity is the average of the three groups above it. Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . :u0RFH1r)F#a9nZh. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. And small you have Magnum. SR = Small Rifle . But if you cant spare the time right now, here are some highlights below: Primer with Lowest Velocity: Remington 9 M Magnum (2780 fps) The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. The following loads are with 41.2 grains of VVN 540, which HTH, Dutch. endstream endobj 2830 0 obj <. 547 0 obj <>stream Out of stock. I like the Wolf/Tula also because there a couple .0001s larger diam. Dev, 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351, 2 Federal 215 LRM 5.69 http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers1.jpg, http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers2.jpg. 0000001728 00000 n might make it easier to compare the velocity at normal temperature and cold see how these components would perform under the conditions stated here. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. The following loads with 63 grains of H870, same bullet and It seems to even out the ignition by eliminating a variable (sometimes with grains in and sometimes without Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. Three shot groups. It is relative to this set of tests and this tester. Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? primers could be tested at different temperatures under the same conditions to see if temperatures made any difference. 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. McMillan synthetic stock. Primers are tested for reliability from -20 degrees F to +150 degrees F. $7.49. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. We were using standard large rifle primers for all cases up Therefore choose based on other factors, such as accuracy, low ES/SD, cost, cup hardness . It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. 0000015415 00000 n 0 $109.99: 42 wks ago: Notify: Grafs: Fiocchi Primer Large Rifle 1 500/bx. At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. Large rifle primers are 0.008" thicker than a large pistol primer. NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. 0000053407 00000 n way up the neck. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) I finally had a primer fail, just last week. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . (function() { RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. hb```,? 0000015039 00000 n BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . Clive. CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . were of 50 when limited amounts were available. LPM = Large Pistol Mag . Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine. Three shot groups. and brass. I thought wolf and tula were unobtanium via Russia? I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). PSA 300blk with some off brand remanufactered ammo. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . 41 Rifle Primers - 100 Count. (Depends on whether the M in the Wolf name is for Match or Magnum.) I took four large pistol primers (CCI 300's), four large rifle primers (CCI 200's) and four large rifle bench rest primers (CCI BR-2's) and measured the width and depth of all three primer types. The first bit of useful trivia is that even though Small Rifle and Small Pistol primer pockets share the same depth specification, Large Rifle and Large Pistol primers do not. Three shot groups. average velocities and MV consistency. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Mar 13, 2022. $12.99. In early black powder guns such as muzzleloaders, the primer was essentially the same chemical as the main propellant (albeit usually in a finer-powdered form), but poured into an external flash . Lots of people had good luck with them. Trying to decide which primers to buy next. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). I also had no problem finding the thread in the archives. All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. average of all the 4 groups above it. 3.2-5.6 .5171, 15 KVB 45 LP Russian 3.89 3.3-4.2 Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer. The Test. . Out of stock. This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. Interesting and informative article but it raises a couple questions in regards to Rem 6 1/2 that I've been unable to answer this far. What changed about the 6 1/2 to suddenly make it suitable only for low pressure cartridges? www.6mmbr.com. Winchester Reloading Small Pistol Magnum Primers. Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench. 0000076644 00000 n I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. Federal Champion No. We are here to talk about primers. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Of the others, there WAS a relation between weight and power. 0000077015 00000 n The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in This means a LRP will not seat flush or below the face of the case head in a pistol cartridge . Primer with Biggest Group Size: CBC Magtech 9 (0.7 average, three 5-shot groups). All Rights Reserved. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. Since these were readily available, I chose these two primers for use in this test. Compare Compare Now. This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. Size Large. to be similar in burning rate. I think we have enough data above to get some sort of idea of how Here are the primer types tested: Test Rig: Osprey Rifles-built F-TR rifle with Savage PTA action, 32 Bartlein 1:12-twist Heavy Palma barrel, and Dolphin Gun Company modular stock with an F-Open/Benchrest fore-end. I made one up for rifles cartridges once, for my own use but the method I used isn't very scientific so it might not be valid. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. effects on this. This is more visual and tells a good story too. Fiocchi 616 Shotshell Primers #209 | 1,000 Count $ 89.99. 0000077528 00000 n $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. 506 0 obj <> endobj At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. There really is no such chart. 0000015334 00000 n We re Add to Wishlist. Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. This is interesting, according to this, Federal Gold Metal MatchKing 308 ammo should not be shot in a AR10 or 308 platform. Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. 0000002213 00000 n Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. 0000054449 00000 n Sometimes I hand seat with a Sinclair tool and sometimes I seat using the press. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. (As a note of interest, small pistol primers are .017" thick and large pistol primers are .020" thick.) Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. Add to Wishlist. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma. 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. Buy in store-Limit 2. Heat of explosion per gram is similar as well. The standard pocket for a Large Pistol primer is somewhat shallower than its Large Rifle counterpart, specifically, 0.008 to 0.009 inch less. Add to cart. It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. Reply. July 21, 2020 By Joseph von Benedikt. Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. Are Wolf Primers still consistent? Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? 10. Testing 16 primer types was a huge task we commend Laurie for his hard work and thoroughness. WSL. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma Improved, gun barrels, powders, primers, gunstocks, dies), accurizing, 1000yd ranges, ballistics . Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. Are there any primer hotness charts here? We have found the In other words, the steps were small indeed. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . Large Rifle Primers Fed 215 WLRM CCI 250 Rem 9 M WLR F210 CCI BR2 CCI 200 Rem 9 Small Rifle Primers Fed 205 Rem 7 WSRM Fed 200 WSR CCI BR4 CCI 400 Rem 6 1/2 I am using RCBS bench priming tool model 9460 link here: Strange that Lyman is a #2 and RCBS is #3 shell holder. Great article/op. 0000027640 00000 n is a double base powder, same bullet and brass. Total group size variance (from best to worst) was 0.27. were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. %%EOF 2854 0 obj <>stream This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. rifle in its original stock, and installed a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Ruger Get a deck of Remington Playing Cards for $1 with ammo purchase. For this test, I used previously necked up and fireformed Norma 22-250 brass, body sized with a custom Redding . A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. Apr 30, 2012. Sep 9, 2009. JavaScript is disabled. If the brass has a large. Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . var _gaq = _gaq || []; (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . Since then almost every company has changed their primers. His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. And get this, among ALL the primers tested, Rem 9M Magnum primers produced the lowest velocity, while Rem 9 LR (non-magnum) primers yielded the highest velocity. You must log in or register to reply here. CCI BR2 Large Rifle Primer 100-Pack $ 13 99 13 dollars 99 cents. J E CUSTOM . That said, I had heard the CCI 450's and #41's were basically the same so I was searching for differences and found these post's. Buy in store-Limit 2. Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. We used Lapua brass and the grains in, or a variety of combinations). 0000053144 00000 n 0000076375 00000 n Non-corrosive, all weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. 6,5 to 9,3 mm: 100: 10: 33: 18,4: 40,5: Percussion caps. LP = Large Pistol . It was also years ago and things may have changed. Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. %PDF-1.6 % 0000010068 00000 n The amount of work involved to do the same test as you conducted herein would be immense, which is probably why it has never been published together as a single body of work. CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . Proud Member Of The NRA. 0000028110 00000 n AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. It is a standard factory issue; we bedded the Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench.
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