S.J. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. Thanks for your response. Introducing the Abusive Randy Ireland, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) De. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. Its nothing personal, just logic. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. this is a great book research on cultist church I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. 78. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. What we believe at Fundamental Baptist Church about Jesus, the Bible, and the Church. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. 71 N., De Queen, Arkansas 71832, United States of America DeQueen Flag Listing Claim This Listing Arbanna Baptist Church There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. @greg Smokers use breath mints. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). I watched a man die last week. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. Our goal here has always been to provide encouragement and resources for independent Baptists. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. This is known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. You have it backwards. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. All others miss-use the name. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . We should stand out because we are different. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. . I was able to better understand the New Testament. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. Remember new testament christians are never compelled to give mandatory gifts, if you have been taught that, you have been taught wrong. You dont study enough. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Hope youll check it out. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. If other will share. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! . God bless. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. Steve must have been on vacation or something. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. Select church size. But not all Baptist churches are that way! I cannot know. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. I attend an IFB church. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. There are no rules about what to give at all. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) 1. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. Jesus quoted the old testament. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". . The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. Henry Jacob. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. But they should not be confused with Fundamental Baptists. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. 2. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Pastors Deserve Double Salary? So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. p.s. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. @greg Tithing I believe is liberty. VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? 5) shun folks that have left the church In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. I wish you well in your new school and church. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. The heading of the website is true. 5. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. PO BOX 292. Its ugly and frustrating. Is this really what youre doing here? Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. It should be free. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. @Fran Filter Churches. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. Total. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. (man of God). Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Jesus statement to the Pharisees about tithing would not apply to you because you are not a Jew under the Mosaic Law. 2 talking about this. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Dress codes are not the problems.
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