I like the wit and sarcasm. They probably came off the summit the wrong way. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. This level of negligence and irresponsibility would be considered criminal in a developed country. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. I see nothing extraordinary in this photo, without stretching imagination. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? However, its still possible. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Weird. And I agree that her hands are free. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. Is it a reasonable number? The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. That and the deleted photo make me for first time in my studies of this incident start to suspect foul play, but well never know. Despite the heat and humidity, Panamanians wear long pants and closed-toe shoes. Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. What do you think? Sheer incompetence. Two years later, a 23 year old American woman is strangled to death while walking the trails. The two friends were traveling home after spending New Year's Eve weekend at a bed and breakfast on the Panamanian island Isla Contadora on Jan. 3 when their small plane, piloted by the B&B owner, suffered an engine failure and crashed off the coast of Chame, according to friends and family. I dont know if youve noticed this or not. Highlighted areas of interest (some not yet discussed I think): I think the night pictures were made by the killers to make it look like they were lost and trying to signal for help. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. However, according to the Daily Beast: We now know that more than two dozen other victims also were reported in the same region of Panama, including a young woman from the United States found murdered earlier this year. From 2017 . They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? September 1, 2022. Local authorities dont often feel a sense of responsibility to victims and their families. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. There is, of course, the possibility that they might have agreed to share passwords considering that a remote wilderness could present an emergency that might result in a combination of one of them losing her phone while the other was too incapacitated to work hers. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. That is the key. Right on the bank of the river/stream. The picture just before this one appears to be higher in elevation, meaning that from the direction they were coming, a pit trap being place around this area could/would be ideal. People began to suspect something happened whenthe dog Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. Over the years, dozens of tourists like Agarwal, many of them foreign nationals, have gone missing while visiting the Parvati Valley in the state of Himachal Pradesh. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. Seems like no one has taken off in the direction of the dog and what it could have offered us. If so, it would indicate that she had been kept alive for a few weeks or more. Thats perplexing to me. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. That could just be confirmation bias on my part. Where are those Pings? So if you look behind her bottom theres a patch of light which is the light at the other end of this tunnel and shes holding her right hand up to her face to sweep back a piece of hair. As a side note, if all of the photos are in the order in which they were taken, why do they put their hair up, and take it down so much? Rainfall probably washed the bag into the water. For more background and insight, please feel free to read some of the disappearance stories Ive written about: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/. One was left above. Give me a link. Unfortunately we dont have a lot of answers to your questions. https://photos.app.goo.gl/nVA1PDjjeVwULeo66. Its our fingerprints, the police say. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. Her hands are not tied. Do you think this could be at all relevant? I think murder is quite likely. For me the strongest clue that not anything sinister happened is that the family refused to have ALL photos released because some show the girls in a very rough state. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. But the call logs gave the cops a rough outline of the time the girls spent missing in the jungle. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. I think the most important photos were not the daytime ones; I think the most important photos were some of the legible nighttime ones. This case has captivated me. If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? Out of the dozens of calls, only one managed to connect, but broke up after just two seconds due to the lack of reception. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. I think this has been added to hide the fact that Kris was not wearing boots, as this was a shot of her from somewhere else and superimposed on the jungle scene. It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. They make no sense in spite of the speculation. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. . Este rosto de uma jovem que est angustiada,aterrorizada sem saber o que fazer para se salvar. Theres some type of red and black object at the top of the photo. How many tourists go to Australia? She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. There is what appears to be a well trodden, narrow path to the left of her which passes behind her and enters a very dark area at the back right, which could be the cave. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. Just behind her tied hand area. I think its equally powerful just to disprove the official theory. Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. Hi, there sounds plausible but there is something about this case when I start to find some closure that it was an accident OR indeed foul play, I get new evidence from the internet debunking the conclusion I arrived at. Then consider Kris and Lisannes parents when they trekked with a group along the trail, across two streams, until they reached a field with the disintegrating fence posts and the tall lone tree some hundred meters away. Sixty percent of these deaths were documented on the border between Mexico and the United . But by April 6, the girls were still missing. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. Meanwhile, on April 2, 2014, the pairmissed their appointment with their hired tour guide. The day before theguided tour, however, they decided to explore the area surrounding the activeBarVolcano towards the Continental Divide. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. Apparently the dog had no comment. Im not sure if Ive found something new here, but I havent found anyone else discussing these details online. This is so surreal. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. The Velleman family had been in touch with several Wisconsin and Illinois representatives as they sought assistance from the U.S. government in the search and recovery effort. To begin with his suggests either they walked into dense dark forest so there was no foto ops or it stopped being fun and started to become serious so somewhere not far beyond that stream did they met a fateful fork in the path which took them towards oblivion. This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. They obviously protect the predator(s). However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. Her hands could be tied behind her back but, if this is the case, then much computer editing was involved because other photos that come AFTER this one in camera sequence show Kriss walking ahead of Lisanne WITHOUT her hands tied behind her back. Its disturbing. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. In fact, its probable to some degree. Police searches have found nothing and now his mother is flying out to try to find him. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. On the other hand, its more dangerous and risky. I hope justice is found for these girls, so very sad & just horrifying. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? And if there would be any clue in them that the girls were hurt intentionally, the parents would not stop being vocal about it. Like jaguar? Is there much shareable knowledge about the gang in the area? Jane, Recently I have been reading that it is not unusual for people that hike or run in dangerous places and go missing that a shoe with a foot is found. They took a swim before the trip with to local young man the same day they went in the forest. It happens often and I cant even imagine how horrible it was. After finding the women's phones, authorities now had alead. Tourism generates profits of approximately US$1,400 million annually. Jeroen Jumulet / Stringer / AFP / Getty Images, Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? But there are a few holesin this particular theory. For pareidiologists, in the Cave photo on the right just over halfway from Kris head to the edge of the photo there is an arm and hand tied to a tree, and to the right of Kris leg is the sole of a walking boot with a light stripe down the middle. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. Once there, the families and detectives began a massive search. I could be wrong, but to me this looks like it could be a hunting device of sorts, like a pit/catch trap. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. Theres no denying that the face looks skewed and mask like. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. To Jane I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. The case needs solid evidence and/or solid witnesses coming forward. Thorough job, very insightful and so well done Please visit Panama and further investigate. Ive been to Brasil and the Amazon and spent nights there in the rain with a crowd though. During thistime,Kremers and Froon repeatedly called for help. Haha. The overriding input is human. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. Lisanne sets up a SOS with toilet paper and a mirror, hoping to get the attention of the helicopters. Even the bones, the few that remain. I think Kris was about to have a quick look in a man-made structure she had stumbled across just to explore. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. Just trying to get as many ideas together as possible, so that some clue may surface one day. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. Here is the comparison: The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. The hand painted insignia looks more like a face to me.. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. The sign actually looks like a door with light shining thru.thats crazy. If you find any additional information, please let me know. Experts proposed several theories about how and why the women took thesephotos. If a picture is deleted from a camera, its still possible to retrieve it. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. Such a tragedy. Surely they would put them back on if only for a little insulation. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their book Lost in The Jungle. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. They got lost and they died of starvation and a hard ration, except for Chriss. by Chris | Jan 29, 2020 | Crime Abroad, Kris Kremers. If the dog went with them, its likely that the girls would have taken a photo of the dog, even if the dog was in a photo accidentally. This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. A group of tourists have gone missing in an infamous Russian mountain pass where nine people died under mysterious circumstances more than 60 years ago. Terrible for the parents. Perhaps the truth will come out someday. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. The last set of pics is especially chilling to me, my first thought was Lisanne may have been bound & hurt & somehow able to gain access to the camera & made a last attempt to signal for help or document everything around her as best she could & thats why all the angles are so awkward & unfocused. I believe one fell. The camera could have malfunctioned but this seem highly unlikely. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. Please support us we cant do it without you. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). Where did you hear this? Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. I agree. I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. Hi Anna, youre casting a wide net when you say If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist.. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. However, her surroundings were my intended focus regarding this photo theres a lot of things in this photo that havent been discussed elsewhere and could provide clues as to what happened to them. Thanks for sharing this info. Id love to know if these pics exsist. I would like to know the answer to that question also. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. How come nobody ever says anything about the other girls bones and and what she was doing while these pictures were being taken of Chris that was way ahead of her ? Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing. There is no question thats what it is. Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. The families of both Froonand Kremers also became concerned when they didn't get a usual check-in call. Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. Someone with darkish skin. I never noticed this before ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? Hi Mel, thanks for sharing. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. Sometimes I refer back to the Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the two girls that made international headlines in 2014 when they disappeared in the northwest region of Panama. I think the look on her face isnt scared, but she looks to maybe be in wonder that they found a place like that? https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. These were of seemingly random objects, like a stick with plastic sticking to it, as well as scenes of foliage, canyons, anda bridge. CARACAS, Venezuela -- Few Venezuela ns have not had their lives touched by migration over the last decade, when more than 7 million people left the country amid a political . I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. Yes! Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. May the case stay alive and well. ), podran darnos explicaciones de la posicin del cuerpo, de las manos y la expresin del rostro en la foto 506. More info here. What you are seeing is simply from the pattern of the foliage and shadows and light patterns impacting on the image. Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. Only three days later the three assailants were given their sentences: Hctor Abrego - 15 years in prison and must pay his sentence in jail in Santiago. Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. Bringing justice to assailants that harm tourists is very often not a top priority, and it shows through the number of botched investigations. Jump forward to Boquette now and you will see a photo of the girls in the street, and behind them is a shirtless fat white man. The last half either had a wrong password, or simply no password at all was entered. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Unfortunately the resolution is not high enough to identify any specific shapes, although it appears to contain the colors white and red. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. But absolutely everything points to it being a case of underestimating the jungle and dying from exposure. Or locals found the bodies and stole the bag and items. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Happy reading! Jumping to conclusions too early, or on the basis of too little and incorrect information is likely to lead to the wrong conclusions. Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. Hi Chris, and thank you for your nice comments! March 3, 2023, 7:57 AM. Thanks for your comment. It took us quite some time to get there, the authors explain to The Daily Beast. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Missing Lynn Haven juveniles. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. How long have Keir Starmer and Sue Gray been secretly cooking up their plot? And why? One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) Can anybody see that? I want to come!! 1. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. In the picture of her in the Cave? Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. The simplest is for them to disappear. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. Very interesting.. I do not see any eyes, but I can definitely see a nose and a mouth. For what reason? Hi Chris, to me the place Kris is in looks really spooky, but I also think it looks like the entrance to a cave. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? Does blue have something to do with this strange punishment ritual? I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books. Fingerprints were not investigated. But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. Therefore, this can prove that the likelihood of a third party being involved is very high.
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